Curse

Star Naiad · Jan 29, 2007, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Why is Lyssa so strong? she is only lets say 10% HP left and she owns my whole 100% HP which is 555HP just in 3 hits? i can own her but not more than 2 time straight.
Anyone have a suggested build to take on this girl? I didn’t know girls can be this tough..

and can you guys tell if i have a reasonable build? any improvements?

I have
15 in Scythe (12+2+1)
12 in Mystic
3 in earth

Reaper's Sweep {E}
Chilling Victory
Twin Moon Sweep
Victorious Sweep
Pious Assault
Vital Boon
Heart of Fury
Faithful Intervention

And I saw Banishing Strike and Zelious Renewal is good against undead?

Str0b0 · Jan 29, 2007, 07:15 PM // 19:15

EDA= Melee shutdown. Makes for easy avatar killing, except melandru. Melandru can't be blinded.

WarKaster · Jan 29, 2007, 07:31 PM // 19:31

listen to Str0b0 they cant hit you if they can't see you.....

also Avatar of Lyssa is pretty much the quintessential kick in the gonads since it does +53 bonus damage with a regular attack if hit hits when you are activating a skill.

Star Naiad · Jan 29, 2007, 07:37 PM // 19:37

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

EDA= Melee shutdown. Makes for easy avatar killing, except melandru. Melandru can't be blinded.

What? 5 sec of blind for my 3 earth would that really help?

should i keep my HP at 555 or add +2 earth and drop my health to 520? and i need an earth weapon it looks like i have to change my whole build according to what you said.

Thom Bangalter · Jan 29, 2007, 07:38 PM // 19:38

Well, lyssa gets huge plus damage when it is wailing on someone activating skills, so don't activate skills!

Seriously though, if you're trying to cap, just bring an ele with blinding surge, or the aforementioned eda.

Str0b0 · Jan 29, 2007, 07:39 PM // 19:39

staggering force or dust cloak + 1 5e spammable attack+EDA=constant shutdown

WarKaster · Jan 29, 2007, 08:17 PM // 20:17

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Originally Posted by Star Naiad

What? 5 sec of blind for my 3 earth would that really help?

since EDA is triggered when ever you use an attack skill if you bring a scythe skill like Mystic Sweep or Eremite's Attack with a recharge of 4 seconds it will work with 5 seconds of blinding. And if you don't have an ebon scythe you can do what what Str0b0 suggested and bring Staggering Force or Dust Cloak to turn your attacks into earth damage and trigger EDA with every attack skill used the same way an ebon scythe would.

Star Naiad · Jan 29, 2007, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by WarKaster

since EDA is triggered when ever you use an attack skill if you bring a scythe skill like Mystic Sweep or Eremite's Attack with a recharge of 4 seconds it will work with 5 seconds of blinding. And if you don't have an ebon scythe you can do what what Str0b0 suggested and bring Staggering Force or Dust Cloak to turn your attacks into earth damage and trigger EDA with every attack skill used the same way an ebon scythe would.

sounds interesting, i will give that a try so its Dust Cloak and EDA is what i'm gonna with just for Lyssa.
I would take any advice on my current build up there. Thanx

Str0b0 · Jan 29, 2007, 09:18 PM // 21:18

I took down all the avatars except Melandru with an EDA build. Melandru you need just raw nasty damage, which is where Lyssa actually has a use. The important thing is to focus on Lyssa when you can. If you're smart you'll do everything in your power to take out everyone else around her so she has no support. then just keep EDA up and either use an ebon scythe or dust cloak or staggering force. So long as you have a spammable scythe attack you can keep her blind indefinitely.

NinjaKai · Jan 30, 2007, 03:18 PM // 15:18

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

EDA= Melee shutdown. Makes for easy avatar killing, except melandru. Melandru can't be blinded.

You have stances that block and evade. You have whole party enchantments like aegis, ward against melee, etc.
Lyssa's extra damage is conditional on actually hitting the target. There are plenty of anti-melee tactics.
Hexes like Price of Failure and Spirit of Failure are an extra nasty combo to a Dervish since they rely on melee attacks and energy.
When thinking of counters look at the broader spectrum.

Str0b0 · Jan 30, 2007, 03:31 PM // 15:31

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Originally Posted by NinjaKai

You have stances that block and evade. You have whole party enchantments like aegis, ward against melee, etc.
Lyssa's extra damage is conditional on actually hitting the target. There are plenty of anti-melee tactics.
Hexes like Price of Failure and Spirit of Failure are an extra nasty combo to a Dervish since they rely on melee attacks and energy.
When thinking of counters look at the broader spectrum.

A) Lyssa has none of those available so your point is moot in the context of this thread.

B) A dervish without wild blow makes baby jesus cry.

C) Any dervish worth their salt will bring Mystic Regen which makes Price of Failure and Spirit of Failure mere annoyances,nothing serious.

Star Naiad · Jan 30, 2007, 04:41 PM // 16:41

I tried Dust Cloak and EDA last night maybe cuz of my 5 sec EDA i didnt see any advantage over Lyssa.
This skill juggling is a complex process and its making me think which is good.

and its hard to find a Good ebon Scythe to use with just EDA and replace Dust Cloak with Twin Moon sweep so i have more atks for EDA to work.

WarKaster · Jan 30, 2007, 04:55 PM // 16:55

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Originally Posted by NinjaKai

You have stances that block and evade. You have whole party enchantments like aegis, ward against melee, etc.

even if Lyssa had all those skills it wouldn't matter anyway....EDA is triggered when you ACTIVATE an attack skill...not HIT with an attack skill...so even though you are not hitting you opponent for damage they would still be blinder than Stevie Wonder in the dark with a paper bag over his head.

on a side note I admit that I should use wild blow a lot more than I do currently do (by that I mean I should always have it on me). There have been a ton of times when it would have gotten me out of a pretty big jam.

Str0b0 · Jan 30, 2007, 05:01 PM // 17:01

I bought an ebon mod for like 2K slapped it on a 5K weapon from the bazaar and poof best ebon scythe in the game. Barring that bubahl's grasp is cheap and works.

Str0b0 · Jan 30, 2007, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by WarKaster

even if Lyssa had all those skills it wouldn't matter anyway....EDA is triggered when you ACTIVATE an attack skill...not HIT with an attack skill...so even though you are not hitting you opponent for damage they would still be blinder than Stevie Wonder in the dark with a paper bag over his head.

on a side note I admit that I should use wild blow a lot more than I do currently do (by that I mean I should always have it on me). There have been a ton of times when it would have gotten me out of a pretty big jam.

Actually you do have to hit to cause the blindness. You should carry wildblow though. Use sunspear rebirth for your res, it's a signet but how often do you honestly need to carry a hard res? That way you can go D/W with wildblow. It is not linked to any attribute, it is a guaranteed critical hit( and scythe's deal out huge critical hits) and it ends those annoying stances. Plus at only 5 energy with a 5 second recharge it is pretty damned spammable. I use wild blow + Victorious sweep on my dervish to great effect. Shiro pretty much requires Wildblow.

WarKaster · Jan 30, 2007, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

Actually you do have to hit to cause the blindness. You should carry wildblow though. Use sunspear rebirth for your res, it's a signet but how often do you honestly need to carry a hard res? That way you can go D/W with wildblow. It is not linked to any attribute, it is a guaranteed critical hit( and scythe's deal out huge critical hits) and it ends those annoying stances. Plus at only 5 energy with a 5 second recharge it is pretty damned spammable. I use wild blow + Victorious sweep on my dervish to great effect. Shiro pretty much requires Wildblow.

really? i could have sworn it was working last night even when i had blurred vision on me......i must have landed a blow right before i got hexed.

Str0b0 · Jan 30, 2007, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Also if you are using dust cloak for the ebon damage when it dies it spreads blind, which as long as you're hitting is unnoticeable but if you aren't well then you get magical blind. It's easy to miss. If not then yeah it was a lucky blow. Keep in mind though blurred vision is not nearly as effective as blind. Blind is a 90% chance to miss. Blurred vision is only 50%.

Mr.Pickle · Feb 01, 2007, 07:27 AM // 07:27

not sure if mentioned but i've found early on that avatar of grenth really works wonders on dervish capps. this along with some blinding and no worries.

Dean Harper · Feb 02, 2007, 04:44 AM // 04:44

Lyssa is a very powerful skill. It is an amazing way to kill ppl in AB since they spam skills a lot. Its my personal favorite form.

This is the build i used for getting Lyssa:

Chilling Victory
Mystic Sweep
Conviction/Zealous Renewal
Mystic Regeneration
Vital Boon
Faithful Intervention
Any Avatar you have or another (preferrably Grenth to remove her enchantments)
Res Sig

jesh · Feb 02, 2007, 05:20 AM // 05:20

Thunderclap was the easiest way for me to get this. Guildmate was running it. We tried flashbotting it too, but that 10% was quite enough. Bad luck, I guess.